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Poster: Scott Saunders Date: Oct 24, 2005 4:24am
Forum: movies Subject: iPod + Video and Archive MPEG4 Files

Hi All,
I just received my black iPod 30Gig about four hours ago. I've been testing the 256K MPEG4 video clips posted in the archive's feature films section and I am happy to report I have had zero problems. The movie clips can simply be copied to the iPod with no changes made to the file type name. The default ".mp4" suffix works just fine.

Hope this helps, and enjoy.
Scott

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Poster: matinsky Date: Oct 26, 2005 6:06am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: iPod + Video and Archive MPEG4 Files

I have not had complete success playing these MPEG4 files on the video iPod. The video plays nicely enough, but every few seconds there are very unpleasant scratching/screeching artifacts in the audio.

Any ideas / suggestions ?

- Thanks -

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Poster: A/V Geek Skip Date: Oct 26, 2005 6:18am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: iPod + Video and Archive MPEG4 Files

We're trying to track this down.

Could you tell us which file that you watched?

Skip

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Poster: matinsky Date: Oct 26, 2005 7:10am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: iPod + Video and Archive MPEG4 Files

These were some of the files I tried.

my_man_godfrey_256kb.mp4
mr_motos_last_warning_256kb.mp4
last_woman_on_earth1960_256kb.mp4
nosferatuVCD_256kb.mp4
beat_the_devil_256kb.mp4

I also tried a number of SIGGRAPH animations, with the same result.

-Matt

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Poster: A/V Geek Skip Date: Oct 27, 2005 2:49am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: iPod + Video and Archive MPEG4 Files

Great! Hey Matt, can you try this file:

http://www.archive.org/download/ThingstoCome/Things_To_Come_256kb.mp4

or some of the more recently added files.

The IA has been tweaking the parameters of their MPEG-4 derivations and the files you mentioned may have been derived using older, less reliable methods. I'd like to know if the newer derived files suffer from the same sound problems. I, unfortunately, don't have a new

Thanks for your feedback.

Skip

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Poster: kc0dhb Date: Nov 5, 2005 8:35am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: iPod + Video and Archive MPEG4 Files

I am having the same problem. I have tried a few of the Cartoons
bb_be_human
bb_chess_nuts
bb_minnie_the_moocher
merry_melodies_falling_hare
popeye_the_sailor_ancient_fantasy

And they played fine on the computer, but transferring to the iPod and the video was fine, the audio was not, the crackling every once in awhile.

I was able to, from the mpeg2 files, to get it to work by using the following script i wrote up real quick for linux, iSquint works good for Mac
bb_be_human.mp4 17M from http://www.archive.org/details/bb_be_human
bb_be_human.mpeg 307M from http://www.archive.org/details/bb_be_human
bb_be_human.ipod.mp4 16M
bb_be_human.256kbps.ipod.mp4 92M

The quality looks about the same for parts with slow moving parts in b&w but looks quite horrid at 256kpbs on the fast parts. A little more experimentation on my part might yield something that looks nicer and is smaller. I'll keep the forum posted
----
#!/usr/bin/perl
#Written by Kyle Byerly
#required software
# ffmpeg compiled with --enable-mp3lame --enabled-faad --enable-faac --enable-xvid buildflags
# instructions for ubuntu at http://po-ru.com/diary/fixing-ffmpeg-on-ubuntu/
# the original script was one i took from iSquint for Mac, but since my Linux box is quite
# a bit faster than an aging powerbook...

print "When you execute this script, enter the files you want after the script on the commandline.\n";
print "Example.\n";
print "\t./video2ipod.pl /home/kyle/dvd/*.avi\n";
print "This will place files with the exact same name with .ipod.mp4 appended to the filename\n";
print "Right now it only makes files optimized for the iPod screen\n";


foreach (@ARGV) {
#system < time echo "$_">;
system < ffmpeg -i "$_" -s 320x240 -vcodec xvid -g 300 -qmin 2 -b 2300 -acodec aac -ar 44100 "$_".ipod.mp4 >;
}

----
if you replace 2300 with 256 and prepend .256kpbs to .ipod.mp4 you'll make a much smaller file (lower quality of course)

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Poster: A/V Geek Skip Date: Nov 5, 2005 9:32am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: iPod + Video and Archive MPEG4 Files

Thanks for the feedback.

Below is another file to try. We've had one person with an iPod who's tried it and says that there are no audio problems.

http://www.archive.org/download/ride_ranger_ride/ride_ranger_ride_256kb.mp4

Skip

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Poster: kc0dhb Date: Nov 5, 2005 2:49pm
Forum: movies Subject: Re: iPod + Video and Archive MPEG4 Files

That file worked quite nicely (little grainy, but sound was good).
Just out of curiousity, what did you change?

I also rewrote my script to allow for you to change the bit rate when you run the program.

I also found that 368kbps works very well for cartoons (color too)

Kyle

Perl script follows
---
#!/usr/bin/perl
#Written by Kyle Byerly
#required software
# ffmpeg compiled with --enable-mp3lame --enabled-faad --enable-faac --enable-xvid buildflags
# instructions for ubuntu at http://po-ru.com/diary/fixing-ffmpeg-on-ubuntu/
# the original script was one i took from iSquint for Mac, but since my Linux box is quite
# a bit faster than an aging powerbook...

print "When you execute this script, enter the files you want after the script on the commandline.\n";
print "Example.\n";
print "\t./video2ipod.pl /home/kyle/dvd/*.avi\n";
print "This will place files with the exact same name with 2300kbps.ipod.mp4 appended to the filename, if 2300 was the bitrate\n";
print "Right now it only makes files optimized for the iPod screen\n";

print "Please enter the bitrate that you would like, less than 2500, default of 2300: ";
chomp($bitrate = );
#set default bitrate of 2300
if ($bitrate == "\n") {
$bitrate = 2300;
}
#if the bitrate is greater than 2500 you can still encode, but why?
if ($bitrate > "2500") {
print "This is greater than an iPod will play...just so you know.\n";
}
if ($bitrate < 256) {
print "Output may be ok, but not so good on fast moving parts...recommend you try a higher bitrate.\n"
}

foreach (@ARGV) {
system < ffmpeg -i "$_" -s 320x240 -vcodec xvid -g 300 -qmin 2 -b $bitrate -acodec aac -ar 44100 "$_"."$bitrate"kbps.ipod.mp4 >;
}
----

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Poster: A/V Geek Skip Date: Nov 5, 2005 11:58pm
Forum: movies Subject: Re: iPod + Video and Archive MPEG4 Files

The Internet Archive has been working on fixing the MPEG-4 derivation parameters, so I'm going back and re-deriving the older films to see if the audio squeak problem has been fixed.

So, if you and other iPod users could help verify that these files are fixed, I can start re-deriving all the feature films.

What was changed? I dunno. Tracey at the IA worked really hard to fix MPEG-4 transcoding parameters a couple of months ago.

Here's some files to check out:
http://www.archive.org/download/sing_a_song_of_six_pants/sing_a_song_of_six_pants_256kb.mp4
http://www.archive.org/download/feud_maker/feud_maker_256kb.mp4
http://www.archive.org/download/drugs_are_like_that/drugs_are_like_that_256kb.mp4
http://www.archive.org/download/why_doesnt_cathy_eat_breakfast/why_doesnt_cathy_eat_breakfast_256kb.mp4

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Poster: kc0dhb Date: Nov 6, 2005 9:51am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: iPod + Video and Archive MPEG4 Files

drugs_are_like_that_256kb.mp4
fine (messed up movie...)
feud_maker_256kb.mp4
fine
sing_a_song_of_six_pants_256kb.mp4
completely broken
Sound and Video both broken
why_doesnt_cathy_eat_breakfast_256kb.mp4
audio dies near the end.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Stafftracey pooh Date: Nov 6, 2005 2:26am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: iPod + Video and Archive MPEG4 Files

Yay! A new mp4 success on ipod, woot! 8-D

Yes, so we had an intern who brilliantly figured out how
to solve most of our audio problems by simply using
"mplayer" to dump the audio as a stereo WAV track.

Since mplayer can play pretty much anything, this meant
that most of our "audio problems" suddenly got fixed.
Better yet, instead of the 3-4 audio pass encodings just
to get the WAV/PCM format, it's all done in one quick
mplayer command now.

I then hooked it all up, fixed up some "encode to mpg audio"
settings, and there it is!

Lastly, I tossed 15 of the worst and most difficult items
I knew at it and rederived them (they had horrible or
completely gone audio in the derived mp4s). To my utter
shock and delight, all worked.

As I personally love moving images, I'm glad we finally got
a lot of this audio stuff fixed!
mp4 files aren't the easiest to "get right" -- they're not
like the supereasy MPG1 and MPG2 formats, unfortunately.

--tracey, webmaster,
and occassional movie geek and cheerleader

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Poster: Supersensor Date: Feb 20, 2006 2:10pm
Forum: movies Subject: Re: iPod + Video and Archive MPEG4 Files

I have also been having trouble with my iPod video in two ways, but maybe this will help:
1. Some films that I used iSquint to convert (I have grabbed some of the larger mpeg files that need conversion before they are dropped into iTunes,) and they have a flaw in that the video/audio will freeze, and then restart with no audio. Apparently this is a flaw with the iPod 1.1 updater.
2. Some of the 256k/Mp4 files will play fine in Quicktime or in iTunes, but on the iPod they produce a clicking/digi-distortion periodically. This may also be related to the updater issue, BUT, I had no trouble with the "Night of the Living Dead" mp4 file that was posted, so maybe that answers something. Also, as a pure side note, when I have ripped PD stuff from DVD (I use Mac, so Mac the Ripper is a nice option,) then convert to Mp4 with Handbrake it seems to work well. Just laying everything I know out there. Hopefully we can all help each other.

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Poster: matinsky Date: Oct 27, 2005 10:57am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: iPod + Video and Archive MPEG4 Files

I tried the file you suggested and I heard the same screeching sounds when played through the iPod. I'll try a few newer ones and see what happens. If I find one that plays cleanly, I'll let you know.

Thanks,
Matt

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffakb Date: Oct 24, 2005 5:34am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: iPod + Video and Archive MPEG4 Files

Now all that is needed is for the Archive to support RSS2 enclosures so that iTunes users can subscribe to various collections.

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Poster: skits818 Date: Nov 15, 2005 8:57pm
Forum: movies Subject: Re: iPod + Video and Archive MPEG4 Files

I've had the same problem with audio pops every couple seconds.

I downloaded 5 movies, and all of them were messed up.

They Made Me A Criminal
Atom Age Vampire
Carnival of Souls
The Terror
Nightmare Castle

These were the biggest file size MPEG-4s.

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Poster: skits818 Date: Nov 16, 2005 6:20am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: iPod + Video and Archive MPEG4 Files

FYI I realized I hadn't tried out They Made Me A Criminal. That one actually works! No audio pops!


Just out of curiosity, why aren't high resolution MPEG-4s available?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Stafftracey pooh Date: Nov 17, 2005 2:57am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: iPod + Video and Archive MPEG4 Files

good to know!
the 256kb one was made with the new encoder.
FYI: that rez is 320x240, which is pretty hi res for the
target bitrate of 256kb/s (and was the standard size that
all 256kb mp4s used to be created as).


taking a step back, i think it's SUPERGREAT
that folks with ipod video 21st century toys are watching
1939 B&W films! 8-D

--tracey

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffakb Date: Nov 20, 2005 11:17pm
Forum: movies Subject: Re: iPod + Video and Archive MPEG4 Files

I tried rederiving the Cinemocracy items w/ the new encoder. It created mp4 versions but not mpeg1 versions. It looks like ffmpeg doesn't support the audio codec in the uploaded file.

Does your ffmpeg have liba52 support?

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Stafftracey pooh Date: Nov 27, 2005 5:39pm
Forum: movies Subject: Re: iPod + Video and Archive MPEG4 Files

as you know, we recently upgraded the mpeg4 deriving
to use mplayer (for audio conversion).

our mpg1 derivation is older -- i can try upgrading its
audio to the kind we do now in mpg4 if you reply with
an identifier or two that you'd like me to test it on...

--tracey

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffakb Date: Nov 28, 2005 12:25am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: iPod + Video and Archive MPEG4 Files

Here are a couple:

http://www.archive.org/details/BattleOfMidway
http://www.archive.org/details/BattleOfBritain

thanks

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Stafftracey pooh Date: Dec 3, 2005 10:06am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: iPod + Video and Archive MPEG4 Files

ok, so at first i didn't think the mplayer usage was working,
but now it seems to be working fine (so not sure what made
me think it wasn't working at first).

i'm deploying it now (as it extracted BattleOfMidway audio
just fine -- and quicker than ffmpeg would ever do, too boot!)

if you don't mind, if you see any "bad" mpeg1 derives from today going forward, please let me know if you are able.

thx!
--tracey

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffakb Date: Dec 17, 2005 3:30am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: iPod + Video and Archive MPEG4 Files

Here's a new one that is missing its mpeg1 derivative.

http://www.archive.org/details/Metropolis_0

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Stafftracey pooh Date: Dec 17, 2005 4:54am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: iPod + Video and Archive MPEG4 Files

yah, looks like ffmpeg pooped out in the final "stapling"
of the audio + video portions.

you could try one more derive to see if it's a repeatable
error (i suspect it is -- ffmpeg is more picky than mplayer)
or works. if error repeats, we prolly cannot generate a
mpeg1 at this time for that movie for some reason (that i suspect is not related to the mplayer audio extraction -- might be something in the video or video header...)

--tracey

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Staffakb Date: Dec 17, 2005 8:08am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: iPod + Video and Archive MPEG4 Files

The problem seems to be that the uploaded mpeg2 file does not have an audio track so the final step fails. My guess is the uploader stripped the audio because of copyright.

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Stafftracey pooh Date: Dec 21, 2005 5:50am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: iPod + Video and Archive MPEG4 Files

ok, firing off derive on Metropolis_0 now
with new live code..
-t

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Poster: Administrator, Curator, or Stafftracey pooh Date: Dec 21, 2005 4:28am
Forum: movies Subject: Re: iPod + Video and Archive MPEG4 Files

ah, great, thx for that.
trying rederive now with 'not live yet' MPEG1 deriver
code for when MPEG2 has no audio...

-t

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